Post edited 8:35 am – July 7, 2009 by Shadow

I'm sorry, but the forums are dieing and I think this is a jump-start that might be able to save ol' iceberg.

(politics)

Anyway, I just wanna say…. I told you so, and I was wrong in some places, and areas too. Obama is acting wrongly as a president. Is it still too early to judge and say that? maybe, but I must ask why is he lieing to the American public, and ignoring the threats to us, our allies, and our intrest areas? Ofcourse, I'm talking about North Korea and Iran, today it was reported that North Korea launched 7 missles (duds) not at anyone, but they showed aggression, and are threatening us, and the owrld that they can attack South Korea, and Japan, and can attack them with accurate, dangerous, nuclear missles.

Yet what does our President do?

NOTHING, he is doing NOTHING, to stop our enemies and is a coward. Just like Jimmy Carter we have a VERY weak preisdent who is too pathetic to even TRY to stop a dangerous, nuclear threat. You would have thought that we as americans would have learned after the failure of Carter not to elect a weak president ever again. But I guess not….

Not only is he being a coward and not stopping our enemies, hes refusing to stand for justice, and freedom to those who are crying for help. Obama could fix carter's mistake.

Under Carter something unthinkable happened… something immpossible… something that never happened before in history…

The radical theogists took over Iran, and took over the government, and not only that, they took an amaerican embassy. An American embassy, no matter WHERE it is in the world is considered American soil, and American land. Under Carter these radicals attacked Americans on American soil, and took over 100 hostages…. and Carter did NOTHING to stop them. The hostages were held for over a YEAR. Because of Carter, he showed the world that if America has a weak President they will do NOTHING to stop our enemies. He showed them that under a weak President they can attack, and show aggresion all they want… because we will do nothing to stop them.

And now Obama has the chance to stop them… to fix Carter's mistake, to fix the blight upon Ameircan History, and to Correct the failure of Carter, and the Democratic party.

But what does he do? Obama does NOTHING. They are in the mist of a revouloution, and want to rid of thier dictator. Amejhadhan can be overthrown, and we can have justice in the middle east. But no what does Obama do?

he appologizes for us… as if we have done something wrong.

Welcome America…. Welcome to the failure of Obama

The forums are dying, but being a douche and making radical statements like “OBAMA IS TEH WERST PREZIDENNT EVAR!” isn't the way to bring them back. Attacking the Woods' mom is also a pretty low blow. Besides, I can't even remember the last time you posted, and that's probably a good thing. This will be my last post in this thread. Keep living under your rock shadow, I'm sure it's cozy in there.

Yeah theres no reason to make a hateful political thread on here to get peeps to post.

Geaorge Bush IS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Obama isn't starting another war that will bring anarchy to our country. He didnt shit all over our people. By making taxes hes trying to generate government revinue. If youre gonna tax something, tax something people will buy NO MATTER how much it is and people will buy it. IE cigarettes. What did Bushie do? He took a vacation at his Texas Ranch while the war in Iraq has horribly failed. Did you know that the economy is SO bad now and the govt needs money SO badly that theyre downsizing the military? THATS how fucking poor we are. You can say: “Oh NO! He wont attack Korea and Iran! Theyre making missiles and shit! What a bad president!” But that would doom our economy. UTTERLY destroy it. We cant afford Iraq and Afghanistan already. You thought there were WMDs. You thought wed kill Osama real quick and jet outta there. You were wrong. Dont be stupid and try to support something else equally as stupid and radical when its gonna blow up in your face anyways. America doesnt start wars until we're attacked first. Why would Obama suddenly decide to attack a nation that hasnt ACTUALLY done anything wrong? We have nukes and shit. North Korea having them is “wrong” but us having them is ok? In all actuality, it just makes it fair.

I'm sorry, it was a radical statement to say Obama is the worst president ever.

Everyone knows Buchanan (# 15) was the worst (let civil war happen) president ever.

However, are you saying canti, that it's ok, for Innocent people to be killed and totured by a dictator?

I agree that unless we have a plan to get out, we shouldn't go in, but is there a such thing as a moral war?

How can we just ignore the cries for help? Have you seen the twitters of people from Iran? They are crying out for help, for justice, and for freedom.

I'm sorry if your offecnded by that, or how harshly im putting this, but I THOUGHT America was the land that stood for freedom, or am i mistaken and are we socialists?

I personally am pissed at ANY president that lies to the country, and Obama has LIED, he said that we will NOT tax us, yet what just happened?

RIGHT, the cig tax.  I think it's wrong that a president can lie to the public, and isnt demoralised like Nixon was, or how George H.W. Bush was. (not defending them)

Now I half to ask you this: why do you think taxing the public is ok? Do you really think thats going to jump start the economy?

Because last time I checked, after the failure of Carter, Reagan was elcted and he conducted, and began his Reganomics, which included LOWERING taxes.  Think about it!  Are you willing to buy a new item (not for consumprion) if it costs 3$ more? would you buy more if it was 3$ LESS?  I know I like having money, it makes me feel happy.

EX: at McDonalds the double cheseburger is no longer on the dollar menu (nopo), and before it was off the dollar menu i would buy (for lunch) 3 doubles, and a Med fries which came to an exact amount of $4.02.  NOW it costs $1.20 per (not including tax), and i now get 2 doubles (for lunch) and a small fries, which comes to EXACTLY $3.64.

I know it seems its like im dumbing this down, but i see reganomics SO simple. At McDonalds they are losing only 40 cents from me (daily) but try imagining it all over the world.

BTW the reason we are still in Iran, and Afghanistan even after most of the fighting is over, is because EVERY time we attack someone we rebuild thier econmy, and thier government, and whenever we dont, we end up regretting it.

We rebuilt the south- its fine now  (civil war)

We DID NOT rebuild germany   (WWI)

We learned our lesson and rebuilt germany this time  (WWII)

We rebuilt Japan, and w/o that we wouldnt have Nintendo  (WWII)

We rebuilt S Korea  (in comparrison, health wise, they are more fit, more happy, and taller, than the N Koreans) (Korean war)

We DID NOT rebuild Vietnam, and look at them now, it SUCKS to be vietmese 

We DID NOT rebuild Iraq after the Gulf war, and OH SURPRISE! we are fighting them AGAIN!

What we are doing in Iraq, and Afgan. is PREVENTING another war.

Last time I checked War SUCKS, and we try to avoid it.

Don't act so simple canti, I KNOW your smarter than that.

Are you suggesting that we IGNORE the cries for help? Are you seriosuly saying that?

I mean, it's not like last year when you, batto, and every single stubborn Liberal were saying “Why should we attack Iran? The people LIKE thier leader, and are fine with him. We shouldn't get involved because they DONT want our help”. (BTW, i WAS right on saying that they HATE thier leader)  They are BEGGING for help, and where is the UN on this? Aren't they suppose to be the world police? Last time I checked the ONLY thing the UN has done is Korea, and after that they have done nothing. (besides buying a 1.2 Billon dollar painting on the roof of thier World Matters Room. So who's the #2 on world police? RIGHT, US.

Why cant we be the world police? We have the bigegst military, best technology (Ex: Britain is still using our designs for stealth fighters, while our EXACT designs are trash, and being auctioned off to the highest paying muesum) and the most, accurate nukes. and last time I checked, we are STILL the only nation to ever set foot on the moon.

Your saying that there has NEVER been a moral war before? Because it certainly seems like your saying that. Unlike you, I don't like putting words in other people's mouths, and I try to avoid as much as I can, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but it certainly SEEMS like you said “there has never been a moral war”.

Civil War- The South succeded from the Union to keep thier slaves, and we (Union) went in to bring back the succeding slave-states. Lincoln didn't HAVE to free the slaves, he did it because he wanted to, and because it was the morally right thing to do. The entire war was about the moraltivity of having slaves.

I'm not gonna go into the moraltivity of Vietnam, Korea, and WWII, because I think we have debated that enough And besides, the Civil War was the most moral war we have ever fought. (whats more moral than giving people freedom that have none?)

Post edited 8:16 pm – July 9, 2009 by Gamerkd17

There's a cigarette tax? Good. I have a friend who smokes and maybe making them more expensive will convince him to want to quit. It's a bad habit. It should be punished.

As for Obama. I'm glad he's taking a safe, no-war path. One of the reasons I HATED MCCaine was his happy trigger attitude. Causing conflict, ie: “nuking a country”, just causes more problems. BIGGER problems. Ever heard of the concept of retaliation? Why start something? There will ALWAYS be enemies. You can't get rid of them all. It's best to just try to make your peace with them if you can and ignore them.

I've always hated America's “butting in” attitude. It's not our business, leave it alone. But no, Bush decided to start a war….and the worst part….stay in that war for much too long. We removed the dictator, now get the hell out. Who cares, really. It's just causing us to lose more valuable lives of soldiers.

That is the key factor here. The bible says do onto others as you would do unto you, or somesuch. Then there's always that good semeritan chapter in the bible… where the good semeritan got something good in return for helping someone out. People read that now, and they assume they will get something good for their efforts.

Ethically it can be debated that nobody is 100% altruistic, IE- doing things without ever needing a reward. I could say I do things altruisticly, but I know in my heart that everytime I help someone I hear a subtle voice in the back of my head who hopes to make some money or to get something good, and is ultimately dissapointed if he didn't get something good. Everyone is greedy.

Anyway…. sorry I went on a tangent thar.

Mccain… wow, havent thought of him in months. He was seriously trigger happy, and something about him made me afraid. I would have gone to canada if he was elected. I wouldnt go as far as to say we would have been nuked already, but we'd be pretty close. We would have pushed into Iran already, and we would have been bitching about Korea. There would be no uprising in Iran, so we wouldnt be welcome. the UK would be #1 still, and the economic crash would have dropped firesale-low (IE the country is bankrupt) since I didn't see a “Get America the FUCK out of debt” plan, rather a plan that just had “WAR” stamped on the front. Seriously, he had no economic plans….

… I'm rambling and its late-ish. I'd better stop.

Everyone needs a wake up call… But I'm staying out of this.